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April 8, 2010: Civil Service Commission
AGENDA:

 
Regular Meeting of the Civil Service Commission of the City of Lyndhurst, Thursday, April 8, 2010 at 8:30 a.m. Joseph A. Sweeney, Chairman presiding.
 
Members:
Commissioners: R D Patete, R. Schmidlin, J A Sweeney
 
Others: P T Murphy; Director of Law, C J White; Secretary.
 
Minutes:
 
Approve minutes of the Regular Meeting held March 11, 2010.
 
Approve minutes of the Special Meeting held March 18, 2010.
 
Resolution removing Rule XIII - Efficiency Credits
 
Resolution to add credit for SPO service on original appointment exam for Lyndhurst Police Department.
 
Discussion of the use of Pradco for psychological exam for candidates for original appointment the Lyndhurst Police Department.
 
Discussion of the use of Pradco or The Ohio Fire Chiefs' Association for promotional exams in the Fire Department.
 
Discuss educational credits on promotional exam in the Fire Department.
 
April 8, 2010: Civil Service Commission
MINUTES:

 
The Civil Service Commission of the City of Lyndhurst met in Regular Session on Thursday, April 8, 2010 at 8:30 a.m. in the Conference Room of the Lyndhurst Municipal Center, 5301 Mayfield Road. Joseph A. Sweeney, Chairman, presiding.
 
Members Present:
Commissioners: J A Sweeney, Chairman; R D Patete, R Schmidlin
 
Others Present: P T Murphy, Director of Law; Captain Mike Carroll, Fire Department; Chief Gerald Telzrow, Fire Department; Chief Rick Porrello, Police Department.
 
Mr. Patete recommended the following change to the minutes of the Regular Meeting held March 11, 2010: Second page, third paragraph should read, "It was moved by Mr. Sweeney, seconded by Mr. Schmidlin that five (5) extra credit points be given to any current Lyndhurst Special Police Officer that has taken and received a passing grade in the original appointment exam to become a Lyndhurst Police Officer providing that the Special Police Officer has satisfactorily completed one year of probation with the Lyndhurst Police Department, as certified by the Police Chief."
 
It was moved by Mr. Sweeney, seconded by Mr. Schmidlin that the reading of the minutes of the Regular Meeting held March 11, 2010, copies of which were mailed to all members, be dispensed with and said minutes stand approved as amended.
 
The question was put to a voice vote and passed unanimously.
 
Motion carried.
 
It was moved by Mr. Patete, seconded by Mr. Schmidlin that the reading of the minutes of the Special Meeting held March 18, 2010, copies of which were mailed to all members, be dispensed with and said minutes stand approved as circulated.
 
The question was put to a voice vote and passed unanimously.
 
Motion carried.
 
Resolution removing Rule XIII - Efficiency Credits
 
It was moved by Mr. Sweeney, seconded by Mr. Schmidlin that Resolution No. 2010-1 be adopted.
 
The question was put to a voice vote and passed unanimously.
 
Motion carried,
Resolution No. 2010-1 is adopted.
 
Resolution to add credit for SPO service on original appointment exam for the Lyndhurst Police Department.
 
Mr. Sweeney suggested some changes and clarifications to Resolution No. 2010-2, as to the paramedic certification, and further recommended that examples be added to the resolution.
 
It was moved by Mr. Sweeney, seconded by Mr. Patete that Resolution No. 2010-2 be tabled pending further review by the Law Director.
 
The question was put to a voice vote and passed unanimously.
 
Motion carried.
 
Discussion of the use of Pradco for psychological exam for candidates for original appointment to the Lyndhurst Police Department.
 
Chief Porrello said he has spoken with Dr. Borodkin of Pradco, regarding clarification of services that Pradco offers for psychological testing for conditional offers of employment. He then stated there is a one time set up fee of $250.00 for the psychological testing that is done for new police officers. He further stated that Pradco will tailor the test to fit the needs of a Lyndhurst Police Officer, as opposed to a general test for all police officers. There is a cost of $600.00 per person, the testing is done both on line and in person, the on-line testing includes law enforcement index, personal index, emotional intelligence index and the personal profile, which takes about four hours to complete. He explained that after the on-line evaluation is done, the results are given to Pradco, and the applicant will make an appointment with a psychologist at Pradco who administers the critical thinking test and personality inventory; it is then reviewed by two psychologists for determination. In addition to the psychological tests, there is a statistical test, which is $100.00 per candidate, and focuses on the traits that the entity (in this case, the Lyndhurst Police Department) deems most important. He feels the statistical test is beneficial due to the fact that Pradco will test a percentage of the current Lyndhurst Police Officers; Pradco will then be able to determine the qualities that Lyndhurst is looking for in the best officers and to determine the quality and characteristics would best fit the current Lyndhurst Police Department.
 
Chief Telzrow concurred with the benefits of the statistical test, stating that the test would show the general, overall picture of what the culture of the current officers is.
 
Chief Porrello stated that there are other tests available through Pradco that may be beneficial, and that are less costly.
 
Discussion continued on the testing process.
It was decided that Chief Porrello meet with Dr. Borodkin, to determine exactly the type of testing desired.
 
In answer to Chief Telzrow's question, Chief Porrello stated that the law enforcement index, if done prior to the psychological and the conditional offer of employment, it becomes not so much a competitive exam between the applicants, as it is a tool for the chiefs to look at to see the strengths and weaknesses are, and he would prefer that it be done prior to the conditional offer of employment.
 
Mr. Sweeney stated he would like to make sure that the law enforcement index can be given prior to the conditional offer of employment.
 
Discussion of the use of Pradco or the Ohio Fire Chiefs' Association for promotional exams in the Lyndhurst Fire Department.
 
Mr. Sweeney made a motion that Pradco be hired to conduct the promotional exams in the Fire Department.
 
The motion died for lack of a second.
 
Mr. Sweeney stated that the Commission and both chiefs have had the opportunity to see presentation by both Pradco and The Ohio Fire Chiefs' Association. He further stated that he feels Pradco would fit the city's needs better.
 
Chief Telzrow stated that Pradco may not give a written entrance exam, as the commission has understood it in the past. He stated that the entrance exam is a general knowledge test, and would like to know if Pradco does that type of testing.
 
Mr. Sweeney withdrew his motion.
 
It was determined that both chiefs meet with Dr. Borodkin of Pradco to establish what types of testing would be best for both the police and fire departments, for entrance levels and promotional testing. It was also recommended that comparison pricing between Pradco and The Ohio Fire Chiefs' Association be presented to the Commission for promotional exams in the fire department.
 
Discuss educational credits on promotional exam in the Fire Department.
 
Mr. Sweeney explained that there have been three informative proposals to the Commission; one from Chief Telzrow, one from Captain Borthwick and one from Captain Carroll, to recognize education as a factor in the fire department for promotional exams. He further stated he is most in favor of Chief Telzrow's presentation due to the simplicity.
 
It was moved by Mr. Sweeney, seconded by Mr. Schmidlin, to accept the proposal for educational credits on promotional exams as presented by Chief Telzrow, on October 19, 2009, and that this motion mirror the sentiments contained in the memo dated March 10, 2010, and that the legislation show examples of the point(s)/percentage(s) added for clarification.
 
The question was put to a voice vote and passed unanimously.
 
Motion carried.
 
It was moved by Mr. Schmidlin, seconded by Mr. Sweeney that the original legislation drafted showing Chief Telzrow's proposal be redrafted showing examples of the educational credits to be given.
 
The question was put to a voice vote and passed unanimously.
 
Motion carried.
 
Mr. Patete stated that he was under the impression that the officers in the fire department would compile a presentation that would be agreed upon by all. He then commended the officers for their presentations.
 
At this time, Mr. Sweeney read the memo dated March 10, 2010, from Chief Telzrow.
 
Chief Telzrow asked if this motion would be in conflict with previous rules, or the codified ordinances, and what would take precedence if it is not mentioned.
 
Mr. Murphy explained that there are rules of interpretation, generally speaking; specific rules take precedence over general rules, and most recent takes precedence over older rules.
 
Chief Telzrow explained that while going over the fire code four years ago, there were many contradictions in the code; a company was paid to sort out the issues, and that he would like the issue of the educational credits to precede and not run into the same conflicts.
 
It was recommended that the next time The Walter Drane Company does the codified ordinances of the city, that they pay specific attention to the rules and legislation of the Civil Service Commission.
 
It was moved by Mr. Sweeney, seconded by Mr. Schmidlin that Resolution 2010-2, to add credit for SPO service or original appointment exam for Lyndhurst Police Department, be removed from table.
 
The question was put to a voice vote and passed unanimously.
 
Motion carried.
 
Mr. Murphy explained that the language for the legislation is from the codified ordinances of the City of Lyndhurst, which has the language for the legislation, section 6, and going back through the rules, which indicates that section was changed in 2005. He further stated that a lot of the language was deleted. He stated that the company that was codifying the legislation missed the change. He recommended that Resolution No. 2010-2 make an addition to a third paragraph, which won't change any of the other existing paragraphs. He further recommended that Resolution 2010-2 be adopted, based on the language and the rule, and the incorrect statement of Section 6 be corrected.
 
It was moved by Mr. Sweeney, seconded by Mr. Schmidlin that Resolution No. 2010-2 be adopted as corrected, and that examples be shown within the resolution.
 
Roll Call:
 
Yeas: Schmidlin, Patete, Sweeney
Nays: None
 
Resolution No. 2010-2 is adopted.
 
It was moved by Mr. Sweeney, seconded by Mr. Schmidlin that the meeting be adjourned.
 
The question was put to a voice vote and passed unanimously.
 
Motion carried, meeting adjourned at 9:40 a.m.


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